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  • As Jason Bourne has now been released - please discuss the film in the comments section. Note: comments can include spoilers.
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    From: (Anonymous) Date: July 31st, 2016 02:58 am (UTC) (Link)
    I enjoyed Jason Bourne and I was extremely excited since the day Matt and Paul Greengrass began filming. The one thing that upset me is that Nicky was killed. I wanted her to have a longer duration in the film. I wasn't a fan of Alicia's acting. I felt like she didn't have the energy to act and she was slow. All in all, my favorite scene was the Las Vegas car chase. Matt always nails his role and, I hope, there's another Bourne movie.

    -Alejandra
    4mattdamon From: 4mattdamon Date: July 31st, 2016 09:29 am (UTC) (Link)

    My Review

    EXCELLENT!!! I was slightly skeptical going in and concerned that the I might be disappointed if it didn't rise to the quality of the other 3 films (my favorite one being Identity), but instead it left me thrilled and wanting more!!!

    Edge of your seat action (I hardly breathed the whole way through) it was a continual cat & mouse chase, brutal fight scenes (around every corner Bourne was taking someone out, most brutal was the scene where Bourne himself is being strangled in the sewers of Vegas, panting grasping, spitting). I later read that Greengrass & editor Chris Rouse wrote the screenplay, so in essence it was written in a way so that they knew from the get-go how they would edit the story. No wonder why it seemed continuous and the chase never ceased.

    I could not believe that Parsons is killed. She was the last tie to his past, to where he'd been. Although we didn't know Dewey previously, we are led to believe he was of the old guard of Conklin (Chris Cooper) and Ward (Brian Cox), and Noah (David Strathiirn). Heather even says so herself at the end. However, if another Bourne were to be made, all the original players are now gone, and we may never know what the fate for Pamela Landy was after exposing the agency at the end of Ultimatum (sans seeing Legacy where it's hinted that she was being tried for treason).

    There were several plot lines & scenes that harkened back to other 3.
    Dewey wants Bourne killed the same way Conklin and Ward wanted him killed, they pursue him as though there is no other option. Enter the picture Heather Lee, who like Pamela Landy, asks permission to work on Bourne's case and get to know his file intimately. Heather like Pamela also aligned herself with Bourne by texting him to safety twice and clearing his passport, the way Pamela assisted Bourne to safety in Ultimatum but had intended in Supremacy. Heather wants to meet with Bourne face to face, just like Pamela asked Bourne to come in and talk. Heather also had information she provided Bourne, similar to how Nicky Parsons provided information to Bourne. Heather was a combination of Pamela & Nicky; however she had a self serving agenda for herself.

    Prop elements like the corded earpiece reminded me of the corded earpiece at the Waterloo train station in London. The fight scene in Berlin with the chair leg reminded me of the fight scene in Supremacy in the kitchen with just a toaster and newspaper. The motorcycle chase reminded me of the red car chase in Identity going down the stairs, but also reminded me of the motorcycle chase in Ultimatum. The protest in Athens reminded me of the protest in Supremacy's Berlin used as a way to hide in the crowd.

    The stakes are higher, and life's been rough on Bourne since he's now a fighter and looking fatigued, but once he learns from Parsons there is information in his files he needs to know, the beast emerges with just as much energy, keenness, and ability to out smart as in the first 3. When given the opportunity to return to the agency, rather than kill people he responds to Dewey he wanted "a different way".

    My two favorite lines of dialog in the movie are the first time he speaks to Nicky he gently asks "What's wrong?". Remember, the last words he spoke to her in Ultimatum were "It get's easier". And my other favorite line was that he wants "a different way" meaning he does not want to be a killer anymore working for an agency, he's always wanted to right the wrongs of the past and move on from it.

    After seeing the newest film, I wished I'd never seen Bourne Legacy. Although I enjoyed it for what it was when I saw it in theaters, it now completely comes across as an imitation of Bourne and not a true Bourne movie. From the music, editing, level of acting, storylines, intensity and struggle of our protagonist, Legacy doesn't hold any water.
    "Jason Bourne" is a true continuation.

    Gregory

    Edited at 2016-07-31 09:34 am (UTC)
    From: (Anonymous) Date: July 31st, 2016 11:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

    Making a Contribution

    Never fear, Gregory.! I paid for 4 people to go off-island to see it who couldn't afford it--they absolutely loved it. That was my contribution to the cause.

    Louie
    4mattdamon From: 4mattdamon Date: August 1st, 2016 07:26 am (UTC) (Link)

    Re: Making a Contribution

    Haha! That's great!!
    From: (Anonymous) Date: August 1st, 2016 02:41 am (UTC) (Link)

    Jason Bourne

    Absolutely loved this movie and I have now got my 15 year old daughter to love the Bourne movies as well! This is the first one she's seen at the cinema with me! The pace was amazing and it seemed to move seamlessly from one scene to the next. Matt was brilliant, as was Vincent Cassell and Tommy Lee Jones but I was a little underwhelmed with Alicia Vikander, although perhaps it was her role. I was also very sad when Nicky was killed as I didn't see that happening but I guess it all adds to the story. Gregory your review is so detailed and you are spot on with all your points. The fights were so realistic and the car scene in Vegas is incredible. I'm going to see it again next weekend. Glad it's getting some good reviews and lots of people are going to see it.
    Karen
    4mattdamon From: 4mattdamon Date: August 1st, 2016 05:27 am (UTC) (Link)

    Re: Jason Bourne

    thanks Karen! appreciate the kudos. glad I had a place to express my enthusiasm :)
    G
    From: (Anonymous) Date: August 2nd, 2016 01:58 am (UTC) (Link)

    Bourne

    I just got back home after seeing it this afternoon with my mom (she loves Matt Damon:) and my spousy

    I have never seen a theater as packed on a Monday afternoon. There was hardly a seat left, but that could be because a theater near us recently closed so this was the only option on our side of town.

    The good side: Matt's great at indicating a lot by saying very little. Cassel is also good in the villain role, although he doesn't have much to do. When he was cast I thought Tommy Lee was too old for this (and, honestly I still think he's too old) but he delivered his lines with verve that added extra interest. The scenes of the riot were genuinely spectacular. Bourne's "gotcha" with the video camera at the end was clever.

    The bad side: I'm sorry, but IMO the critics are right. This seemed so soulless that it could have been an empty cash grab (it wasn't, but does it matter?) It seemed to take forever to get going. It doesn't make sense to me that Bourne's been off bare knuckle boxing for 9 years. He's supposed to be riven with guilt about his previous life, so why didn't he get out and do something about it? He's a smart, talented, guy. Why isn't he digging wells in Africa or teaching languages in some third world country? It just makes Bourne seem...small.

    Vikander wasn't really the right person for this role. She didn't add anything. But nobody had anything interesting to say. Both the motorcycle and especially the car chase went on years too long. Honestly I was thinking, "Please let this just end!" I couldn't help but compare it to the clever, tidy, car chase in Identity. This was just mindless mayhem. I wanted the ALL the chases to be half as long and twice as clever. When you look back at the trilogy you can count Bourne's body count on one hand. The people Bourne killed were all people who were trying to kill him. Here, between the motorcycle chase and Vegas there must be THOUSANDS dead or in the hospital. Was the purpose of the movie to get me to agree with the CIA that Bourne should be "taken out"? Because he's obviously now a major public threat with this body count.

    Several other things just stretched credibility too far for me. They obviously wanted to have only one pursuer in this, so Cassel shows up from Europe and somehow knows the floor plan of the casino/hotel like the back of his hand. Not to mention the fact that he was shooting civilians right, left and center. I imagine even among blackhearted rogue govt agencies shooting dozens of civilians - and fellow agents - would present a problem. And with tens of thousands of people running everywhere and a zillion exits somehow Bourne and the villain come out the same casino door within seconds of one another?

    And suddenly Bourne shows up and after ten years all these people in the CIA are still terrified of him? It would actually have been a lot more effective if you had the younger people doubting Bourne's ability to do anything 'after all these years' and then have Bourne show them up. The audience would have loved that. As it was, I felt there was minimal tension and stakes. I'm so tired of revenge tropes in movies. Can't we do better?

    And I also hated that they killed Nicky. I guess they want Bourne forever isolated but I think that's a mistake. He needs human interaction of some kind to humanize him. There needs to be some moments of, maybe not humor, but at least lightness. I kept thinking how they could have some fun by having him don a disguise of some kind. Isn't it weird that they can identify him in the middle of the night in the middle of a riot in Greece but he can walk around London or go to the airport during the day with no problem?

    Ugh. None of us liked it. Sorry.
    Paula
    4mattdamon From: 4mattdamon Date: August 2nd, 2016 06:13 am (UTC) (Link)

    Re: Bourne

    Ouch!! You bring up some very interesting analyzation Paula. I can't say that I don't understand your opinions, and I see how you were disappointed. Perhaps the trilogy was smarter with less drawn out chases, and more story and dialogue and more fluctuation between chase followed by analyzation or moments of humanization with Marie. But Marie was not in Ultimatum so he had already become a lot more isolated by that point while he was being pursued. Movies today have become a lot more of spectacle and drawn out chases. That was one thing that differentiated Bourne from all the others yes, so perhaps it's lost some of what it was. However, it still goes to the top of the heap compared to others in my opinion. My favorite of all of them is Identity. When you look at the 4 together, the story continues and morphs, the stakes become greater, what started small has become huge.

    You mentioned something that I forgot to mention in my long blurb, you said there needs to be moments of lightness, or interaction of some kind to humanize him. I thought his however short conversation with Nicky was indeed humanizing and the big pivotal scene after Heather kills Dewey humanizing. In those 60-90 seconds I held my breath, just like when Nicky died. It was in that moment after Heather shoots Dewey that Bourne softens and he looks at Heather and realizes what she did for him and in my mind at least it flashed back to the end of Identity and Supremacy when he remembers and contemplates all the people he himself had killed, and says it needs to end. He goes back to the girl in Russia and atones in Supremacy. The cycle of his being chased and the cycle of the killing at the hands of the agency continues and in that moment he and Heather were bonded.
    G

    Edited at 2016-08-02 06:21 am (UTC)
    From: (Anonymous) Date: August 2nd, 2016 12:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

    RE: Re: Bourne

    I agree the scene with Nicky was humanizing, but I guess that's over forever, lol.

    Yes, when he told Heather "You were never here" that was a really good moment. But then they threw that potential relationship away with the audiotape Bourne leaves in her car. So the lightness doesn't stay. And I also found it extremely unlikely that she would shoot her boss for Bourne. Why? What did he do to earn that kind of loyalty from her? Nothing. For all we know she shot her boss so she could angle for his job, in which case she's even more evil than he was. It seemed to me that Paul and Chris hadn't thought the character's motivations through logically and were having them do whatever was expedient to the story at the moment, which is terrible storytelling and something I resent as an audience member.

    In the books Ludlum gave Bourne a psychiatrist/therapist who eventually became a person he trusted. If they're going to continue on with the series I think he needs someone like that or a genuine new love interest. I'm not talking about anything cheesy. But they need to shake up the formula very, very badly. It was too familiar. I was kind of disgusted when a scene of Bourne in a cab was shot from exactly the same angle as the same scene in - I think it was - Supremacy. I don't think Paul has watched those movies as many times as I have. I have some of those scenes committed to memory.

    If they carry on in this way I have no interest in ever seeing another Bourne movie. For the first time, I hated shaky-cam. Shaky-cam should be shot in the dark only in very limited quantities. I miss Doug Liman.
    Paula
    4mattdamon From: 4mattdamon Date: August 3rd, 2016 05:31 am (UTC) (Link)

    Re: Bourne

    ... threw that potential relationship away? He can't trust anyone, least of all someone like her who's working for the agency, I didn't think a relationship was forming really. More likely an understanding and a moment of reflection for Bourne and the audience.
    She shot her boss cause she wants Dewey's position, he constantly talked down to her, he was the old guard, and I think we were supposed to believe that through reading Bourne's file she came to understand HIM and that made her sick of Dewey for sure and the old guard and what had gone down for Bourne previously (at least that's where I thought her loyalty for Bourne came from). She had two motives, in fact I seem to recall her saying something like we both want the same thing but for different reasons.

    The same angel scenes and similar fights etc, were an homage to the other 3. At least that's how I interpreted the similarities, that it was supposed harken back to certain things we've seen, heard etc before. Like the wired earpiece talking was an homage to the scene at Waterloo station in Ultimatum (who uses those wire pieces anymore?)

    I understand all your complaints of the movie Paula, I just think you and I expected different movies. Liman has been gone for 3 movies and he isn't coming back, the Studio almost fired him the 1st time around.
    Gregory
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